Though I will leave your post up out of respect for your 'Last Stand' as it were, Cea is Blacklisted for flaming and attempting to incite flames.

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I just wanted to say that this decision was intended to help wipe the slate by removing a few key people (who each have questionable motives, anyway) without having to pwipe the whole server yet again. The targeted players were those who Locke felt were most responsible for the current state of affairs. As I understand it, newbies are constantly terrorized by trash alts and the vast majority refuse to leave the island because they know they have no chance to make it anywhere else. Most domains are in effect hostile to those who aren't already part of the "in" group. Since the players who were recently banned are for the most part inactive anyway (except for logging in periodically to re-assert their dominance and indiscriminately curb-stomp everyone else), the net effect is that tens of new players will be able to experience the rest of the game relatively unhindered.

I am aware of the Citizen group, and for the most part, what I have seen hasn't implicated them in any mass newbie killings, though I'm not saying they haven't done that. I'm not sure who these people are, and since Locke didn't specifically say they were a problem, I have no opinion on whether they should be included in this ban.

While I thought I would have more time to work on the game after last week, it seems like every time I finish one thing, five more pop up. I need large blocks of uninterrupted time to get anything done on Terulia - time for me to get "in the zone" and knock out bugs and features in a systematic way. I rarely have that sort of free time available to me now, and when I do, I'm too exhausted from everything else I've got going on. For example, yesterday I went to a slaughterhouse to collect samples; the whole trip took 7.5 hours. After I got home, took a shower, and ate dinner, I spent another 4-5 hours writing and submitting scripts to the university's supercomputer. Cea thinks it's my responsibility to personally keep tabs on what's going on in game. Why would I even bother logging into FFO, where I know I will be spam-killed within the first 5 minutes of logging in, when I've already dealt with so many other unpleasant things in the course of the day?

We all know that the loudest voices on the forums are not necessarily the most active players in-game. Just because a small number of people complain here doesn't mean the community as a whole shares the same sentiment. I will agree that the bans are not fair, and I did have some major reservations about the suggestion to ban an adjunct admin, but I agree that this will likely be best for the in-game community. As such, I support Locke, and I am leaving the issue up to him.

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Cool.

Pretty sure there's a 50/50 split in responsibility for the death of the community between Locke and Cea and buddies though.

Hi2u game with no players.

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You would be better off wiping for many reasons to which I wont bother going into.

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Gakumerasara wrote:

I just wanted to say that this decision was intended to help wipe the slate by removing a few key people (who each have questionable motives, anyway) without having to pwipe the whole server yet again. The targeted players were those who Locke felt were most responsible for the current state of affairs. As I understand it, newbies are constantly terrorized by trash alts and the vast majority refuse to leave the island because they know they have no chance to make it anywhere else. Most domains are in effect hostile to those who aren't already part of the "in" group. Since the players who were recently banned are for the most part inactive anyway (except for logging in periodically to re-assert their dominance and indiscriminately curb-stomp everyone else), the net effect is that tens of new players will be able to experience the rest of the game relatively unhindered.

I am aware of the Citizen group, and for the most part, what I have seen hasn't implicated them in any mass newbie killings, though I'm not saying they haven't done that. I'm not sure who these people are, and since Locke didn't specifically say they were a problem, I have no opinion on whether they should be included in this ban.

While I thought I would have more time to work on the game after last week, it seems like every time I finish one thing, five more pop up. I need large blocks of uninterrupted time to get anything done on Terulia - time for me to get "in the zone" and knock out bugs and features in a systematic way. I rarely have that sort of free time available to me now, and when I do, I'm too exhausted from everything else I've got going on. For example, yesterday I went to a slaughterhouse to collect samples; the whole trip took 7.5 hours. After I got home, took a shower, and ate dinner, I spent another 4-5 hours writing and submitting scripts to the university's supercomputer. Cea thinks it's my responsibility to personally keep tabs on what's going on in game. Why would I even bother logging into FFO, where I know I will be spam-killed within the first 5 minutes of logging in, when I've already dealt with so many other unpleasant things in the course of the day?

We all know that the loudest voices on the forums are not necessarily the most active players in-game. Just because a small number of people complain here doesn't mean the community as a whole shares the same sentiment. I will agree that the bans are not fair, and I did have some major reservations about the suggestion to ban an adjunct admin, but I agree that this will likely be best for the in-game community. As such, I support Locke, and I am leaving the issue up to him.

What? I was inactive because I LOST INTERNET YOU JERK or I would be playing.

And I NEVER mess with newbies. I yell at people who do. And the people banned have ALSO never done that.

And yes Gaku, it IS your responsibility to watch and BABYSIT YOUR GAME.


I didn't ruin the game because I scared off some people by beating them.

This is bullshit and I'm literally shocked at what you believe. Who is whispering to you I wonder.

PS: Not Cea

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Medea wrote:

You would be better off wiping for many reasons to which I wont bother going into.

Wipes have proven time and time again to fix nothing. Wiping without fixing core issues doesn't solve anything.

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Blacklisted Not Cea for evading a previous black listing. Take your punishment with some dignity for once.

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Lumino wrote:

Blacklisted Not Cea for evading a previous black listing. Take your punishment with some dignity for once.

Shutup I was replying to Gaku. You're a jerk.

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Funny that Gaku mentions that he got rid of you guys for newbie killing. Which i know Cea and Sinsie never did. Or that they stopped a certain group of players to play *cough tsh*. On that note Id like to say this, Cea when in power lets a variety of players live in his domains. If say Lumino Dean Jules Nab etc ruled ffo now. Id be hunted. Mind you this would happen even before I became friends with jiritsu. The only domain Id be allowed to live in would be Leam with Marcus. How do I know this? Gee happened earlier this hosting. Hell they were killing mass newbie parys cuz they had a tip it was an alt of a player they didnt like. Btw Ceas crew never did that. What I am saying is every group of thats get in power does the same thing. Some are more extreme. Cea was an extremist at keeping all tsh or extsh and Locke out of our domains. There was nothing wrong with that. They really were only around as of the past two months to burn domains and harrass people in argo. So when they do get in power and start doing what Cea did, I sure hope they get a ban to for being a detrement to this game!


Actually I dont. I dont want to see any group treated like this. This is wrong and you shouldnt go by what Locke says because Locke doesnt even know what is going on in ffo. He hears things which can be a lot like the game telephone. you say banana and fifty people later its a fucking cat.

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Cea wrote:

Okay WOW. So let's see here. I am banned for whining and ruining the community. I haven't had net in 3+ weeks but I have still managed to do the two above things. Tell me how, I don't really know.

Here's the funniest part. I was an admin. I bet I am the only guy good enough to get banned AS an admin. If you didn't like "whining" and us expecting to get our way why was I given admin in the first place?

So here's the funny part about it. I came back this version just to prove I can stomp the ground with you guys. That's what I did. I destroyed all opposition and had entire FACTIONS quit playing because I was that good. I apologize for being too damn good at this game.

So now I'm banned and lost my forums. Both with no justification. I shouldn't even have to bother saying why there is no justification.

Gaku's fucking pissed my forums are more popular than his and Locke's jealous I run the game better than he could any day.

For those of you who say it's NOT all about Cea maybe this will be a little smack in the face.

But I'm not posting to get unbanned. I am not posting for my forums back. I am posting for one purpose only. I'm calling you people out. How can some one lack honor and dignity to do something like this? Yeah, I'm saying Gaku and Locke have horrible character. They are the fucking reason this game has been run into the ground.

Want to know why adjunct weren't working, Locke? There was no NEED for an admin decision at all recently. And the issues being discussed where left to you. Locke we need you to get Oond to make some rules for icons so we can look it over Locke we need you to ask Gaku about naming guidelines Locke this Locke that. Furthermore you are the weakest most simple minded person to ever grace this forum. You are so easy to control and manipulate. You change who you ask for help like every week because you can't even make up your own mind.

And Gaku you think you're too busy and important to bother with the little stuff in your game when that's all that really matters. You let stuff go that shouldn't be and you just use the excuse "waah I'm too fucking busy" well buddy owning and operating your own game TAKES COMMITMENT.

It's ironic that a friend of mine who I won't name so he won't be persecuted, is relatively new to FFO. Within 2 weeks of playing he came to me and said I was right about almost everything I complain about and HE saw how bad things were. A total newbie who had no affiliations coming into the game. But he didn't dare speak up he saw how shitty everything was and new what would happen if he tried.

So we are banned for ruining the community now. Why not ban the other Jiritsians? Ethril, Zekion, Darlute even. These guys all helped me. I think they need to be perma-banned too.


So to all of you who HAVE INTEGRITY, who are GOOD men, I urge you to learn a lesson from me. No, I don't want to be a martyr. But at least observe and see what's happening... And I know some of you are good men. People who I might not even be allied or friends with. People like Deshawn, and Vincent. People like Darlute. You guys are good people and I know you'll see how unjust all this is.

Oh and Lumino you're worse than Locke and Gaku. You just fall into the march and do as your told like an obedient puppy. You have no personal morals and any integrity you think you have is falsely so proven by your actions.

By the way thanks for blacklisting me in the main Terulia forums before I could even read why I was banned or defend myself.

Don't lose your internet for a month guys you might be banned for whining and ruining the community.

(By the way this post will probably be deleted to try and silence me (go figure) so I'll try and repost a few times until people I want to read it do (see: a few good men))

Thanks and have a pleasant fucking hypocritical shitty day.

This is why you're banned. Whining like this. Also, spam-killing. You made alts just to screw with people you didn't like who made newbies to get away from you. You tried to completely run them off the game; it wasn't enough for you to just outlaw them from your domains and kill them a few times. You had to keep killing them.

I was there. I'm sure you've realized it by now, but for those months I was watching and seeing for myself what you would do. You think you had me in your pocket? Ha, I wanted to see how you would act if you thought you could get away with anything, and it turns out you were worse than I thought. You and Gene and Haze and Sinsie.

You change who you ask for help like every week because you can't even make up your own mind.

Oh right I'm sorry asking different people in the community what they think is a bad idea, I'll be sure never to get input from the community again. Hear that guys? I totally should never ask any of you what you think.

As for all the talk about how this is out of jealousy or something, you've got to be kidding me. I don't have absolute power over the game or the community. Contrary to popular belief, Gaku and I do disagree on things, and contrary to popular belief, I do get shot down when we disagree. This has happened with Dean a couple of times where I've been against something and Gaku took Dean's side and I backed off.

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I said hed be better off with a wipe purely due to the fact...assuming of 'couse he is honestly doing these bans for the sake of the "community" and "real newbies to have a chance"...in all likely-hood those newbies will end up killed repeatedly soon as they leave the island and just quit anyway seeing as most of the already CCed/etc are going to be in a mess/chaos and/or quite angry from all of this pointlessness.

If anything, things are only going to get worse as everything stands now.

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Enough. I've given this topic a by on the no flaming or inciting flame ruling, but now it ends. You want to continue, fine, but this topic is no longer exempt from the rules. I see any flaming (That includes from moderation staff, nobody is above the rules here.) and measures will be taken.

EDIT: Stella, if you talked to me at all you'd know I very rarely went out of my way to kill people who didn't make the first move. Every time in history that I can recall when someone has come up to me requesting a truce, I've given it to them.

If you want it to stop, try asking. Most of us are reasonable people.

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Gakumerasara wrote:

I just wanted to say that this decision was intended to help wipe the slate by removing a few key people (who each have questionable motives, anyway) without having to pwipe the whole server yet again. The targeted players were those who Locke felt were most responsible for the current state of affairs. As I understand it, newbies are constantly terrorized by trash alts and the vast majority refuse to leave the island because they know they have no chance to make it anywhere else. Most domains are in effect hostile to those who aren't already part of the "in" group. Since the players who were recently banned are for the most part inactive anyway (except for logging in periodically to re-assert their dominance and indiscriminately curb-stomp everyone else), the net effect is that tens of new players will be able to experience the rest of the game relatively unhindered.

I am aware of the Citizen group, and for the most part, what I have seen hasn't implicated them in any mass newbie killings, though I'm not saying they haven't done that. I'm not sure who these people are, and since Locke didn't specifically say they were a problem, I have no opinion on whether they should be included in this ban.

While I thought I would have more time to work on the game after last week, it seems like every time I finish one thing, five more pop up. I need large blocks of uninterrupted time to get anything done on Terulia - time for me to get "in the zone" and knock out bugs and features in a systematic way. I rarely have that sort of free time available to me now, and when I do, I'm too exhausted from everything else I've got going on. For example, yesterday I went to a slaughterhouse to collect samples; the whole trip took 7.5 hours. After I got home, took a shower, and ate dinner, I spent another 4-5 hours writing and submitting scripts to the university's supercomputer. Cea thinks it's my responsibility to personally keep tabs on what's going on in game. Why would I even bother logging into FFO, where I know I will be spam-killed within the first 5 minutes of logging in, when I've already dealt with so many other unpleasant things in the course of the day?

We all know that the loudest voices on the forums are not necessarily the most active players in-game. Just because a small number of people complain here doesn't mean the community as a whole shares the same sentiment. I will agree that the bans are not fair, and I did have some major reservations about the suggestion to ban an adjunct admin, but I agree that this will likely be best for the in-game community. As such, I support Locke, and I am leaving the issue up to him.

Trash alt? I've never even made a trash alt. I don't have the patience to make a character just to go mess with people. And about inactivity, if it's anyone's freaking business, I had a secret character I was playing up solo whilst trying to make sure no one made moves on Cea's domain while he was unable to log in. The implications for this banishment are so foolishly put together, it's obviously more than "newbie killing" or "wiping a slate clean". Well, good job. Now all the domains will probably be set in flames, and anyone that had a house with valuables in it will probably quit. And they thought the Citizens were bad..

I wish you cared about everyone sometimes, Gaku. Not just the majority.

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You know, when I got the blackhammer for trying to see who was gullible enough to post their password, I got myself unbanned by admitting my wrongdoing and that I was an idiot.

You guys however are just bitching instead of trying to do something that would lead to an unbanning.

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@lumino

I did ask for you guys to lay off and I was still pk'd by you and others. So please dont try that route. Fine maybe you didnt attack newbies even though Im pretty sure you did.

@ haze

Gaku doesnt even care about most of us. If he did he would have realized most of the community of ffo didnt have a prob with you guys. He is satisfying a small populace of people.

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@Aries: You WERE in the wrongdoing. That's the difference in this predicament. We haven't done anything wrong. We didn't break a single rule first off, so the fact that newbies "fear us" is a moot point. And we followed Gaku's word when he told us to stop. The ONLY reason this is happening is because Gaku doesn't like us, and he's made that perfectly clear. And I've kept it civil with Locke the whole way through, trying to find a way to remedy this situation.

@Stella: Yeah. Well, when the game doesn't suddenly succeed in numbers he'll see how much of an effect this really had. Egos are on the line here though, so no matter what this is going to stick. See ya in Terulia if it ever gets up/Gaku doesn't still carry his grudge towards us.

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You guys are a small part of the community. The rest don't want to post because they don't want to deal with your whining and attitude. Who would have ever wanted to post to disagree on a forum where the owner's friend's are allowed to flame all they want and no one else is anyway?



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I guess you forgot that this forum WAS Cea's private forum, and not the official one. Just because Gaku changed his mind halfway through this agreement doesn't make us guilty.

Also, the only people that domains are hostile to are the people that are in the "Out" group. (mainly LOCKE) Newbies have no reason to fear us. Cea's said it countless times, he takes newbies under his wing and when I'd accidentally kill someone I thought was some jerk I hated he'd be like "What the.. go life him he's new XD". Our domains are 100% welcoming, so I don't know where Gaku gets this "domains being hostile to everyone but the "In" group"" nonsense. I don't know what you've been telling him, Locke, but it's clear that it's just nonsense.

@Post below: who cares lmfao. I guess numbers are what matters, not individual people's rights =D. Add PKing and domain ruling under the rules, then we'll get things going pal! :) That, plus you could easily lie. I could state that 100 people messaged me saying they are outraged. Pretty easy. If you're going to use something as defense don't make it something you can easily lie about. And if you reply with "I'm not defending myself", then you don't even need to post.

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I'm just explaining why most of the people posting agree with you and why it looks so one-sided. I've had several people IM me with "finally" and "good job" and "glad you finally grew some balls" and I've also talked to a few who haven't been playing that are now coming back.

I'm not killing the game, I'm reviving it.

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I still have yet to see where it was stated that what we did was against the rules or wrong in any sort of way. There are tons of other ways that could have been done to solve this problem, if you'd even call it that. Simply removal from the game because we are the strongest group of people is ridiculous and uncalled for. I really hope you see this in a different perspective for once, Locke/Gaku, because this is just crazy. I don't think anyone will want to play a game where if they become too powerful they get banished from the game.

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