I don't have to move on from it. Your best counter to it is "wow you can't move on from that!". You're just wrong. You'll never admit it, but the way you're responding makes it obvious. You won't even address my points anymore because you have literally nothing to bring to the table. You can't counter me because I'm right. You don't do anything to help FFO unless it puts you in a better position for personal gain.

Know how I stick around so well? I'm already at the top and I still help Gaku with every little thing I can. I don't care if it makes me look better or worse, or if it even has an effect on his opinion of me. I just help because, unlike you guys, I actually care about the game beyond my own personal wealth.

Here you go everyone. This is a prime example of what I'm talking about. You guys, please see the reason right here why we're trying to get Locke removed. I won't even add anything more to it, you all can see what I've been trying to say this entire time yourselves.

"We're right, Locke's wrong, but I can't actually counter any of his points and I've got nothing, so I'm going to just tell you hes wrong and hope you eat it up."

I hope you guys (as in the community) aren't really buying this.

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Haha wooow really man... You're saying your complete opinion. That's all it is. Like usually you are presenting your opinion or interpretation of things and saying them as fact with no proof of anything otherwise.

This is why we don't bother trying to explain ourselves because you keep doing the same thing no matter what we say. We tried to explain on previous issues you didn't get it. Stop trying to manipulate the community to save your hide. You're using this as a scapegoat so they stop being pissed at you.

God I wish I wasn't fair I'd fucking black list you for being so stupid and shitting this thread up repeatedly with your logic (or lack of it).

Can we stop posting this back and forth witty comeback action? You're basically beating a dead horse and it's doing no good.

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Does 4 star admin up here know about all the new maps you created for FFO along with quest trees, finished continents, and other such, that gaku just kind of said a royal fuck you meh too? After all the hours of work you did on them? Oh wait we aren't concerned with facts round these parts, do carry on.

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Seriously, Cea.

Join Dev and put some work in the game, then try for admin. If you love it so much, surely you would LOVE to help Terulia come farther before we can give you the admin position!

It's like a trial run for you. If you can handle being a dev, surely you might be able to handle the admin position again.

But if you aren't even willing to try and help, then why should we go through a giant upheaval "so the game can prosper." A new admin isn't going to instantly get people to return. Terulia coming forth will be the best way for the game to prosper.

You do want the game to prosper, and to do so to the best anyone can do, yes?

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Kumog wrote:

Seriously, Cea.

Join Dev and put some work in the game, then try for admin. If you love it so much, surely you would LOVE to help Terulia come farther before we can give you the admin position!

It's like a trial run for you. If you can handle being a dev, surely you might be able to handle the admin position again.

But if you aren't even willing to try and help, then why should we go through a giant upheaval "so the game can prosper." A new admin isn't going to instantly get people to return. Terulia coming forth will be the best way for the game to prosper.

You do want the game to prosper, and to do so to the best anyone can do, yes?

Hi, Terulia Dev has nothing to do with FFO administration. I don't want to be admin in Terulia I don't have any focus on Terulia (neither does this topic you all love posting in).

being good dev =/= good admin

I don't see how this is hard to comprehend...

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Haha wooow really man... You're saying your complete opinion. That's all it is. Like usually you are presenting your opinion or interpretation of things and saying them as fact with no proof of anything otherwise.


Really? I'm pretty sure anyone can see for themselves that you don't do anything for FFO constructively unless it benefits you. You've never tried to get into development, not even once, and if you really care about FFO, that's your best ticket in right now.

This is why we don't bother trying to explain ourselves because you keep doing the same thing no matter what we say. We tried to explain on previous issues you didn't get it. Stop trying to manipulate the community to save your hide. You're using this as a scapegoat so they stop being pissed at you.

I'm not manipulating anything. My argument is very cut-and-dried. Yet, you've stopped responding to it and you're flaming me now, and Sinsie's completely dodging my questions to just say "hey Locke's wrong don't listen to him." Heads up Cea, all of my posts include my points, all of my posts counter yours, all of my posts directly address everything you say. Unlike you, I'm not afraid to state my position because I'm not wrong

God I wish I wasn't fair I'd fucking black list you for being so stupid and shitting this thread up repeatedly with your logic (or lack of it).

Can we stop posting this back and forth witty comeback action? You're basically beating a dead horse and it's doing no good.

I love how you always flame us when things don't go your way. First you open a post by talking about how you're arguing with a moogle, a troll, and a guy whose lost all credibility (without even any evidence to that last one, just a baseless statement by you). How does any of that matter? Seriously, because hes a moogle? You had to waste space pointing that out? Give me a break.

As long as you keep responding with your little attacks at my posts and avoiding my points, I'm going to keep blowing giant holes in your posts.

Ask yourselves this, community: Do you really want a guy who loses control and flames as your admin? Do you really want a guy who thinks the race of character a player plays matters? Do you really want an admin whose so afraid of his opponent's points that he totally dodges a question favor of simply stating that said opponent is wrong?

If you support Cea and Sinsie, and they're so right, maybe some of you guys could argue their stance for them, since they've apparently given up all logic and reason. Probably because they're wrong and have no idea how to react now.

Does 4 star admin up here know about all the new maps you created for FFO along with quest trees, finished continents, and other such, that gaku just kind of said a royal fuck you meh too? After all the hours of work you did on them? Oh wait we aren't concerned with facts round these parts, do carry on.

Obviously he wasn't working with Gaku at all. Gaku doesn't just throw stuff out unless something's terribly wrong with it. I wasn't there so I don't know the exact situation, but given how this normally goes, if Cea really did all this, he missed something really important or left out something big or totally ignored Gaku's direction for the game and just expected Gaku to work with what he gave him. It doesn't work that way. You work with Gaku, not the other way around.

being good dev =/= good admin

I don't see how this is hard to comprehend...

Wow, that's not our point at all. You won't try to help the game in any way that doesn't gain you personal power. That's our point, not that being a good developer makes you a good admin. Why would we try to make that point? By that logic, Dean's a perfect choice for admin.



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My point is, Cea:

If you love FFO so much, you would want to respect the owner by helping him with the update to FFO, Terulia, to prosper.

It would have a MUCH longer effect of making his game prosper, than a short stint of a new admin, everyone having to adjust to new rules, then eventually having to find a new admin whenever you decide to get up and leave when things change once more.

Do not think in the short term about FFO, Cea, as it will not exist for much longer. Once Terulia's here, FFO is buried, and every bit of administration you'd do for it would be for nothing.

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What jobs still need done in terulia dev anyway no ones ever given me a clean answer when I've asked.

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Locke wrote:

Ask yourselves this, community: Do you really want a guy who loses control and flames as your admin? Do you really want a guy who thinks the race of character a player plays matters? Do you really want an admin whose so afraid of his opponent's points that he totally dodges a question favor of simply stating that said opponent is wrong?

What.... Are you serious right now Locke...

How does the race of a person's character have ANYTHING to do with anything? Holy macaroni.
Afraid of what points? You keep throwing opinions at me. I just asked for some proof of what you're claiming and you ignored that and said I was ignoring your point...

Dude you are trying to hide all the heat that was just on you by making us look like tyrants or something.

Do some development work? What have you done, Locke? What have you done, Kumog?

I can assure you I've done more development-wise than both you guys combined. That has nothing to do with anything, in fact.

And Kumog, I'm not looking into the future. I JUST said that. I want to help now. Now needs help. I want to make sure FFO doesn't die. I know it has a dead line, that is no excuse to allow it to be run likes hit in the mean time.

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What.... Are you serious right now Locke...

How does the race of a person's character have ANYTHING to do with anything? Holy macaroni.
Afraid of what points? You keep throwing opinions at me. I just asked for some proof of what you're claiming and you ignored that and said I was ignoring your point...

I don't know Cea, you tell me, you're the one that felt you needed to point out that Kumog plays a moogle in a topic you even said was for serious discussion. I've addressed everything you've said and backed myself up with real points. Real points I have to keep reiterating because you keep ignoring them.

Dude you are trying to hide all the heat that was just on you by making us look like tyrants or something.

Nope, just showing why you're not as great as you think you are. Its not as if that's going to magically make people forget the past week.

Do some development work? What have you done, Locke? What have you done, Kumog?

I can assure you I've done more development-wise than both you guys combined. That has nothing to do with anything, in fact.

I can't remember everything I've done, but for starters, I threw myself under the bus so Gaku could have some peace and quiet and work on development without getting harassed by this whiny community everyday.

I helped write the initial version of the Terulia ToS. Gaku of course finished it because he knew exactly how he wanted it. I just wrote the first draft.

Several simple game mechanics fixes are because of me. Various improvements to the game that allow us to relax the rules structure have come about because of me as well. Guards having throw, for example.

Let's see, I introduced Renamer to take away power from regular guides so not so many players would have the ability to do that. I got the admin log put in to put "he said she said" debates to rest.

That's just a few of the things I've done. I don't keep track of the things I do because I just do them. I don't care about the recognition. Gaku could credit all my solutions to you for all I care; I'm just trying to help improve the game.


And Kumog, I'm not looking into the future. I JUST said that. I want to help now. Now needs help. I want to make sure FFO doesn't die. I know it has a dead line, that is no excuse to allow it to be run likes hit in the mean time.

Every action I take is with Terulia in mind, as well as FFO. This alone is pretty sad. You really expect Gaku to make you guys admins when you just openly admit you don't look toward the future?



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Hardly any of what you've said has to do with development of the game.

A couple mechanics are responsible for you? Dude, go look at the suggestion and bug reports on the old forums. I've been here for years longer than you, I assure you I've done more on that subject.

Also, I'm responsible for the bows weapon class (converted first bow icons), tonfas (I made the very first ones), polearms (converted first polearm icons), whips (converted first whip icons and I also made several of the whip icons), throwing items (made boomerang, shuriken, rocks, eggs, and I don't know what else), and I'm also responsible for several of the monster items you see in-game.

I've made several maps for Gaku and am responsible for the current buttons the map editor is using. I used to be the one who trained people in on the map editor. I'm partially the reason for the segregated development forum.

And outside of that I'm also responsible for several of the sub-forums on the old forum and I'm responsible for the taking down of the Flamers' Lounge and the return of the Flamers' Lounge.

There is so much more I can go on all day. What have you done again, Locke?

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Furthermore, I was willing to take Global Admin on the forums to help keep people from violating the ToS, and to thus help prevent legal troubles from coming forth if people were posting illegal content on his forums, which are on his computer.

After all, if someone were to post things that were against Florida state law, the PC that FFO and Terulia are on, and no global mod to deal with it?

It'd be in police custody. No FFO or Terulia for anyone.

I don't gain anything from this. No powers at all ingame, and my job is specifically to make sure the Terms of Service are not violated. I gain no political power at all ingame. Absolutely nothing. I cannot even threaten people with spam PKing or dropping things on them. All I get to do is make sure that this forum is clean of ToS violations.

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I don't care Cea. My points are that you don't do anything now. You also used to be an okay admin, but then you rage quit and decided to shitpost and troll the forums for awhile. Malthros did a lot in the past as well, and then he comes back and argues with Gaku too, and I seriously doubt Gaku has much faith in him at this point.

This isn't a dick-measuring contest. You asked and I pointed out some things I've done. True, I haven't been here as long as you. In fact, in comparison, everything I've done is pretty recent. What have you done for FFO recently besides whined about the administration and tried to put you and Sinsie in power?

Protip: Little suggestions that happen to get in don't count. Those take like five minutes to come up with.

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Kumog wrote:

Furthermore, I was willing to take Global Admin on the forums to help keep people from violating the ToS, and to thus help prevent legal troubles from coming forth if people were posting illegal content on his forums, which are on his computer.

After all, if someone were to post things that were against Florida state law, the PC that FFO and Terulia are on, and no global mod to deal with it?

It'd be in police custody. No FFO or Terulia for anyone.

I don't gain anything from this. No powers at all ingame, and my job is specifically to make sure the Terms of Service are not violated. I gain no political power at all ingame. Absolutely nothing. I cannot even threaten people with spam PKing or dropping things on them. All I get to do is make sure that this forum is clean of ToS violations.

And Locke gets nothing except warping away from PKers. Or making up rules/breaking them.

How come he's allowed to get away with that but we still get accused for wanting power when we're saying we want the responsibility? We're not bad admins, we don't have an outstanding flaw when we did the jobs, and there's no power to even get from admin. If you haven't noticed, we tried helping the game by getting rid of those people.

Heck, something Locke already brought up earlier, I solved the entire duping thing with Dzungaria only because I felt that as global moderator, with no one else doing anything about it I had to look into it. If you're still looking for something I did for the game. Was that for power? No, I spent hours talking to people, some yelling at me some being really disappointed with themselves, talking with helpful informants, getting the evidence, typing everything up, and showing that the admins in that very forum were doing nothing about it. And hey, I just realized right now...

Locke's Mai... Mai's the first person I talked to... Mai was the one giving me a hard time finding the information on Dzungaria to start with and I had to promise he wasn't going to get in trouble for it or say it was him telling me.

That... sucks for you Locke. Good game.

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How come he's allowed to get away with that but we still get accused for wanting power when we're saying we want the responsibility? We're not bad admins, we don't have an outstanding flaw when we did the jobs, and there's no power to even get from admin. If you haven't noticed, we tried helping the game by getting rid of those people.

You can let yourself and your friends get away with whatever you want. You pushed it with Norkia at the beginning of 4.0 as much as you could, and you guys even do it now ingame even though you're not admins. If you were, who knows how much worse the spam killing and prejudice against players you don't like would be?

Heck, something Locke already brought up earlier, I solved the entire duping thing with Dzungaria only because I felt that as global moderator, with no one else doing anything about it I had to look into it. If you're still looking for something I did for the game. Was that for power? No, I spent hours talking to people, some yelling at me some being really disappointed with themselves, talking with helpful informants, getting the evidence, typing everything up, and showing that the admins in that very forum were doing nothing about it. And hey, I just realized right now...

It was pretty obvious from the start that you only went after that because it was Dzungaria and you don't like Dzungaria. You completely ignored any evidence against anyone not Dzungarian, and you even ignored all of the duped stuff in Niv's chest simply because you actually liked Niv.

Locke's Mai... Mai's the first person I talked to... Mai was the one giving me a hard time finding the information on Dzungaria to start with and I had to promise he wasn't going to get in trouble for it or say it was him telling me.

I let you into the PC house and helped you get everything taken care of. I even offered to do stuff you didn't think of to help out.

That... sucks for you Locke. Good game.

Uh, no?



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I'm saying that if you want to help the community and FFO, do so in a manner that is not a blatant powergrab for as much power as you can possibly wield.

There are positions you can try and get that are not "the absolute best" positions. Work from the bottom and get to the top. Begging and pleading with petitions to reach the top does not work anywhere near as well as proving yourself slowly that you're a trustable, dependable person through actions, and proving, day by day, that even if you made mistakes in the past, you've improved.

Begging and pleading for the top position to prove this doesn't work. Start small, work your way up.

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I want to thank you, Cea, Sinsie, for making me realize what a shithole this community and FFO are.

And thus I am going to be redoubling my efforts to crank out Terulia content in the interest of finishing it and shitting down this craphole.

:)

Sinsie Edit: You're welcome, Garral. Do your best.

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Locke wrote:

How come he's allowed to get away with that but we still get accused for wanting power when we're saying we want the responsibility? We're not bad admins, we don't have an outstanding flaw when we did the jobs, and there's no power to even get from admin. If you haven't noticed, we tried helping the game by getting rid of those people.

You can let yourself and your friends get away with whatever you want. You pushed it with Norkia at the beginning of 4.0 as much as you could, and you guys even do it now ingame even though you're not admins. If you were, who knows how much worse the spam killing and prejudice against players you don't like would be?

Ban me, or anyone else that does spam-killing then. Why wouldn't you have before? Your comment hurts yourself.

As for Niv, everyone else either admitted to it or in TristanKnight's case was proven to have lied about it (the impossible amount of gold generated). Unless you're confused as to why I wouldn't take advantage of the situation and ban someone I didn't like. I didn't like Niv at all, he was always too full of himself. Don't know what gave you the impression I did. Good night.

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Too early to read through ALL the new posts, but I saw me being mentioned etc.

Balls were never proven. Never happened. Not on the forum anyway.

Forum matters and in-game matters have always been separate.

As far as I'm concerned, Dev, FFO, and forums should not have any bearing on each other.

If I do something foolish enough to get banned, on the forums or in game, I'm still going to work on Terulia. Regardless of the misinformation going around about me threatening to not work on development if I am banned, I'll still be here.

Most of this "Ban Dean!" shit comes not from me breaking rules, but from people raging because I play like a "troll" and people don't like getting filched, poked fun at or attacked/killed.

FFO is kind of boring, that's how I enjoy playing the game.

Terulia will be fundamentally different and I don't foresee me carrying this exact style of game-play over from FFO to Terulia.



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Locke wrote:

If you were, who knows how much worse the spam killing and prejudice against players you don't like would be?

You're an idiot. No one spam kills. And the "prejudice against players" is because people don't like to listen to us and/or they do shit that pisses us off. And hell, most of us don't kill newbies. The only new player I would kill would be someone moving to Tristram, but I've basically made them an enemy to me. Cea wouldn't do anything. He doesn't even PK that much anymore. Sinsie never PKs unless we ask him to, and that's just because he thinks that they did something horribly wrong.

Also on the last page you said something about Cea not letting anyone live if he didn't like them? Have you even PLAYED the past month or so? Tristram is basically where all the people that are KoS live right now, it's their safe haven.

That being said, even mentioning this is a moot point. That shit doesn't make or break a case on becoming admin. If he were to become admin it wouldn't get "worse". This had nothing to do with the actual topic and it was just pointless of you to even try and make up bullshit about.

Again, you're an idiot.

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