So listen I was thinking, It doesn't really make sense that ember dragons spawn in frost dragon Den they are you know elemental opposites of each other. So I was thinking why not move Embers to the Earth Elemental cave sense its a pretty useless place. It would spread the dragons out some and give Vorg alittle more appeal for gear drops since Shroomas, Snowmen and Ember and Frost all spawn right there at IGH. Now you could argue Hey they have DDs in Ruins, But compare this. Ruins is what five floors down you have to go through massive spawns of junk mobs and the DDs together while on the other hand Den spawns only the dragons and some mindlayers which can easily be dragged back to IGH for hey free loot. I propose the Move to E.E caves for Embers to even the loot out a bit and give the cave alittle more appeal for hunting as of now it is all but junk.

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I second this

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I agree

I personally have nothing against the people in irendi, but I do find it unfair that vorg is useless for anything but pincers there is nothing else appealing about vorg, there should be some incentive to live there

The best drops in the game have been from champ frosts/embers, early game from shroomas, and some holy **** amazing frops from highlands, mainly snowmen

Argo used to have shroomas, which made being near the docks okay for trist/gsh, but diadel and leamaia are still kind of useless imo, diadel moreso than leam since leam has stone charms right above it

And now shroomas are in sewers, which is right where all the igh/shy people can easily sit there and farm now, I don't get how this is fair at all

So yes, giving embers a new home in vorg, maybe re-adding EEs, or giving vorg some sort of drop buff would be nice since all the good gear is in higher irendi right now

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Agreed. Either re-add Earth Elementals or move Embers to the Earth Elemental cave. As of now vorg is pretty much useless just like Charon said besides pincers. I support this idea fully

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I don't really see any issue with this, and i'm sure the irendi people wont either unless they are just trying to mess the game up, Because honestly what more do they really need around Guardhouse? Pugs? Basically the only thing vorg has thats even close to highlands/wyrms/dragons, is Ruins. Which really isn't worth doing unless you have atleast a decent party with coordination, or a couple white wizards.

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I agree about that, EE´s back or Wyrms in earth elemental cave.

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Bulls. Evil Men. Dark Dragons. Antlions (which drop almost the only usable necklace for many classes). Stone Golems (which drop the second best necklace in the game). I don't remember which exactly it was, but doesn't something from the night Desert have something solid too?

It's only an ever-so-slight disbalance now.

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reply to Shane:

ok, you go once to vorg and get the necklaces then you never go back in, dragons you dont go once and get an specific item, theres ALOTOFY op items to get.

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Tairn wrote:

So listen I was thinking, It doesn't really make sense that ember dragons spawn in frost dragon Den they are you know elemental opposites of each other. So I was thinking why not move Embers to the Earth Elemental cave sense its a pretty useless place. It would spread the dragons out some and give Vorg alittle more appeal for gear drops since Shroomas, Snowmen and Ember and Frost all spawn right there at IGH. Now you could argue Hey they have DDs in Ruins, But compare this. Ruins is what five floors down you have to go through massive spawns of junk mobs and the DDs together while on the other hand Den spawns only the dragons and some mindlayers which can easily be dragged back to IGH for hey free loot. I propose the Move to E.E caves for Embers to even the loot out a bit and give the cave alittle more appeal for hunting as of now it is all but junk.

horrible idea

ee cave is too close to ruins if anything the fire continent should be added

or at least a fire cave

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Question. What's stopping you from going to Irendi (like everyone has always done always)?

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reply to Professor:

we not talking about what stop us go there, we are talking about make a continent more enjoyable / usefull / better.

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reply to Smiffah:

Shane wrote:

Bulls. Evil Men. Dark Dragons. Antlions (which drop almost the only usable necklace for many classes). Stone Golems (which drop the second best necklace in the game). I don't remember which exactly it was, but doesn't something from the night Desert have something solid too?

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Smiffah wrote:

reply to Shane:

ok, you go once to vorg and get the necklaces then you never go back in, dragons you dont go once and get an specific item, theres ALOTOFY op items to get.

You can get Perfect Strung Pincers and Perfect Stone Charms for an entire faction in just on trip to Vorgardia?

I didn't know this.

And here I was under the impression that Vorgardia is the exceedingly important continent up until the farthest reaches of the end-game because of the necessity of Strung Pincers and Stone Charms.

Not to mention that doesn't quite counter the argument of Evil Men and Dark Dragons, which spawn in the same area but one spawns more commonly and both day and night, unlike the Frost Ds and Ember Ws.

Champion Bulls compare quite easily to Champion Snowmen, and are arguably easier to accessorize against since stacking Dark gear is far more practical than stacking Fire gear.

If anything, this only really signifies just how short the stick gets for Tristram who either have to A) Pay a 1,000 Gold fee to be able to train in Vorgardia or B) Have to make an arduously long trek just to get close to the beginnings of the areas where the good Irendi drops are.

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Shane wrote:

Smiffah wrote:

reply to Shane:

ok, you go once to vorg and get the necklaces then you never go back in, dragons you dont go once and get an specific item, theres ALOTOFY op items to get.

You can get Perfect Strung Pincers and Perfect Stone Charms for an entire faction in just on trip to Vorgardia?

I didn't know this.

And here I was under the impression that Vorgardia is the exceedingly important continent up until the farthest reaches of the end-game because of the necessity of Strung Pincers and Stone Charms.

Not to mention that doesn't quite counter the argument of Evil Men and Dark Dragons, which spawn in the same area but one spawns more commonly and both day and night, unlike the Frost Ds and Ember Ws.

Champion Bulls compare quite easily to Champion Snowmen, and are arguably easier to accessorize against since stacking Dark gear is far more practical than stacking Fire gear.

If anything, this only really signifies just how short the stick gets for Tristram who either have to A) Pay a 1,000 Gold fee to be able to train in Vorgardia or B) Have to make an arduously long trek just to get close to the beginnings of the areas where the good Irendi drops are.

You can hardly say that an entire continent's usage amounting to two necklaces is fair. And just "comparing" to champion snowmen is hardly fair either because that doesn't make up for anything. And it's not like plains are a walk in the park anyway, even with standard stone charms you'll easily get hit for 100 each from everything there and blind spammed.

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Nerserus2 wrote:

Shane wrote:

Smiffah wrote:

reply to Shane:

ok, you go once to vorg and get the necklaces then you never go back in, dragons you dont go once and get an specific item, theres ALOTOFY op items to get.

You can get Perfect Strung Pincers and Perfect Stone Charms for an entire faction in just on trip to Vorgardia?

I didn't know this.

And here I was under the impression that Vorgardia is the exceedingly important continent up until the farthest reaches of the end-game because of the necessity of Strung Pincers and Stone Charms.

Not to mention that doesn't quite counter the argument of Evil Men and Dark Dragons, which spawn in the same area but one spawns more commonly and both day and night, unlike the Frost Ds and Ember Ws.

Champion Bulls compare quite easily to Champion Snowmen, and are arguably easier to accessorize against since stacking Dark gear is far more practical than stacking Fire gear.

If anything, this only really signifies just how short the stick gets for Tristram who either have to A) Pay a 1,000 Gold fee to be able to train in Vorgardia or B) Have to make an arduously long trek just to get close to the beginnings of the areas where the good Irendi drops are.

You can hardly say that an entire continent's usage amounting to two necklaces is fair. And just "comparing" to champion snowmen is hardly fair either because that doesn't make up for anything. And it's not like plains are a walk in the park anyway, even with standard stone charms you'll easily get hit for 100 each from everything there and blind spammed.

Yeah because Highlands spawns hit for like, 3 damage on a crit.

It's not just the two necklaces that make the continent. The spawns are just as diverse, if not moreso, than Irendi's spawns, and there are easily more enemies to 'farm' in Vorgardia compared to Irend.For what purpose would giving Vorgardia yet another advantage over Irendi be practical to do?

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Dr. Letha wrote:

Nerserus2 wrote:

Shane wrote:

Smiffah wrote:

reply to Shane:

ok, you go once to vorg and get the necklaces then you never go back in, dragons you dont go once and get an specific item, theres ALOTOFY op items to get.

You can get Perfect Strung Pincers and Perfect Stone Charms for an entire faction in just on trip to Vorgardia?

I didn't know this.

And here I was under the impression that Vorgardia is the exceedingly important continent up until the farthest reaches of the end-game because of the necessity of Strung Pincers and Stone Charms.

Not to mention that doesn't quite counter the argument of Evil Men and Dark Dragons, which spawn in the same area but one spawns more commonly and both day and night, unlike the Frost Ds and Ember Ws.

Champion Bulls compare quite easily to Champion Snowmen, and are arguably easier to accessorize against since stacking Dark gear is far more practical than stacking Fire gear.

If anything, this only really signifies just how short the stick gets for Tristram who either have to A) Pay a 1,000 Gold fee to be able to train in Vorgardia or B) Have to make an arduously long trek just to get close to the beginnings of the areas where the good Irendi drops are.

You can hardly say that an entire continent's usage amounting to two necklaces is fair. And just "comparing" to champion snowmen is hardly fair either because that doesn't make up for anything. And it's not like plains are a walk in the park anyway, even with standard stone charms you'll easily get hit for 100 each from everything there and blind spammed.

Yeah because Highlands spawns hit for like, 3 damage on a crit.

It's not just the two necklaces that make the continent. The spawns are just as diverse, if not moreso, than Irendi's spawns, and there are easily more enemies to 'farm' in Vorgardia compared to Irend.For what purpose would giving Vorgardia yet another advantage over Irendi be practical to do?

Yes, Irendi is so hard done by. That's why everyone wants Irendi and only owns domains in Vorgardia because all the ones in Irendi are taken. You act like noone can enter desert if someone owns Sankora. Or that you can't do ruins if you own leam. But if you own Irendi Guardhouse you can lure dragons with ease and get say full engraved regal and have 100% private usage of highlands and champ snowmen which even Shane said are comparable to champ Bulls. Last wipe the only thing that really mattered was who could do Frost Dragons and Ember Wyrms.

Irendi means a whole lot more when all dragons are buffed meaning IGH becomes an even better domain to have due to doing dragons "the legit" way is so much harder, giving lurers a massive addvantage ( Which you planned all along but that's another story. )

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ners is right, tho i know you guys dont actually drag ****. you can cut off some of the nicer parts of the continent in ire, while you cant in vorg, making it less worthwhile to own a domain in vorg than in ire, because no matter what you can enjoy all of vorg, but this isnt the case with ire. what we want is less an incentive to train in vorg and more to make vorg domains as worthwhile as ire domains.

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also rell if vorg is so great why do i see you training there so rarely once you live in ire? exactly.

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reply to Mint:

Why would I go halfway across the world when Lowlands is cheaper, quicker, and easier to solo in?

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Dr. Letha wrote:

reply to Mint:

Why would I go halfway across the world when Lowlands is cheaper, quicker, and easier to solo in?

Lol

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