Again, we stopped. Everything died down. There was no reason to wait like this. What kind of reason is you didn't want to do it in the middle of school? What's that even supposed to mean? Does that even matter? If you're going to ban someone, do it at a reasonable time, not months later. Also, I was unaware that forum complaining coincides with in game stuff. If you wanted complaining to end, blacklist from the Terulia forum and that instantly solves everything. Also, didnt you know, the reason the complaining was stopped was because we were TOLD to by Gaku himself? Or did you not notice that?

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I noticed, Gaku and I agreed on this though. Stop thinking its just me.

What kind of reason is you didn't want to do it in the middle of school? What's that even supposed to mean? Does that even matter?

We were both really busy with real life. What kind of reason is that? I don't know, maybe working on a thesis/job/etc.

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This is why you four are banned and what Locke said to me. You were banned not for recent things, you were banned for past things. Or your overall behavior in telling Gaku whats up. As a matter of fact, Locke and Gaku both planned to ban you four long before the adjunct admins were even added. Also why dont the other admins matter in this? Well Locke even stated that they were innafective. Btw Locke, bad movebon your part cuz this whole community wanted other people on to balance you and your decisions. Oh yeah, the dev team who respect Gaku also hate jiritsu. So who are they gonna complain about? Not rocket science to figure this one out, its gonna be these four. Party in Ventrillo! I can hear certain members whooping and celebrating.

My point to you four is this: youve been nork'd. You are getting banned for this one reason, Gaku doesnt like you. Just like last time, there will be no lift on the ban even though you deserve the ban even less then Norkia. They liked causing grief for their amusement, so did you guys but you always wanted to help the community, despite popular belief and what both Locke and Gaku believe. Sadly, even though we, the community fought for the adjunct admin instatement, they were over looked and you were banned.

Locke and Gaku both want to revive this community and dont understand why so many people are leaving ffo. But I can tell you this, there are three main reasons why people are leaving. One is because of old content and ppwipes that make us all start over and regrind to where we were a few months ago with nothing new for us to do. Two, because so and so did this to me. Im sure a few screemed jiritsu! but im also sure many cried about the beloved developement team or tsh. Three, for pulling stunts like this. Showing people even though we have rules in placed and a pretty balanced adjunt admin system, that you and your friends can be banned for anything at anytime. That you my friend, can be nork'd.

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Contrary to popular belief, decisions like this can easily be made in a 10 minute conversation. People in college can easily get a 10 minute time period to discuss something like this really easily. Regardless, that's not even part of the whole situation. Moving on..

You're the only one that can actually discuss this with. As you can see, Gaku's presence here is only that of a watcher, not one to get involved. So yes, it might as well be only you that made the decision, because of us that were banned this is the only way of appealing to this.

We did nothing wrong. And this time, it's definite. Blacklisting us from the forum does just fine, banning us entirely from the game from something on the forum is extreme. Can you not honestly see how silly this whole situation is? I know we don't get along with you, but honestly, just think about this. You too Gaku if you're reading but I don't know if you read Cea's forum anymore.

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I can't reply to your post because I can't read it.

(not a flame)

That's at Stella by the way.

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We did nothing wrong. And this time, it's definite. Blacklisting us from the forum does just fine, banning us entirely from the game from something on the forum is extreme. Can you not honestly see how silly this whole situation is? I know we don't get along with you, but honestly, just think about this. You too Gaku if you're reading but I don't know if you read Cea's forum anymore.

Its not definite. You complain all the time. About anything we do. You expect to get your way from that.

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Locke wrote:

We did nothing wrong. And this time, it's definite. Blacklisting us from the forum does just fine, banning us entirely from the game from something on the forum is extreme. Can you not honestly see how silly this whole situation is? I know we don't get along with you, but honestly, just think about this. You too Gaku if you're reading but I don't know if you read Cea's forum anymore.

Its not definite. You complain all the time. About anything we do. You expect to get your way from that.

See, this is the problem. You see one thing in a post you don't like and only address that. The rest isn't even there.

Since when is complaining about things you do against the rules? That's "killing the community"? That's what forum blacklisting is for. Hell, you could make it permanent blacklisting in that forum for all I care, removal from the game itself is ridiculous.

You never told us to stop. When Gaku told us to stop, we did so. We followed what we were told and now suddenly this happens?

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its "ruining the comunity" Because you guys are opening the rest of the players eyes to the truth..Which is not good for locke.

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Locke wrote:

I can't reply to your post because I can't read it.

(not a flame)

That's at Stella by the way.

Dont bother reading it not directed at you. its directed to the banned the nork'd

also if its my grammer its not that bad you cant understand.

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Haze wrote:

You never told us to stop. When Gaku told us to stop, we did so. We followed what we were told and now suddenly this happens?

I think one of the main problems here is that when LOCKE told you to stop you didn't. And don't bother saying he didn't, the forum has topic after topic of Locke telling you guys to quit your freaking bitching. Those topics usually turned into 'Locke never listens to reason' conversations if my memory serves.

Gaku Appointed Locke, and listens to him. If you are saying 'Fuck You' to the guy he appointed, you're saying 'Fuck You' to him as well. Yeah you'll listen to him when he directly tells you, but you won't listen to the people he appoints to handle this crap while he makes the game?

If I were in Gaku's shoes, I'd be pretty freaking insulted by that.

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So by lockes own logic...with this 'Anti-whiner' kicks hes on...If a group of people started murdering all the newbies...and they starting whining about it, the newbies should get banned too...Because they would be whining to get their way to have something done about the killings.

Or at least that is how he makes things sound.



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Medea wrote:

So by lockes own logic...with this 'Anti-whiner' kicks hes on...If a group of people started murdering all the newbies...and they starting whining about it, the newbies should get banned too...Because they would be whining to get their way to have something done about the killings.

Or at least that is how he makes things sound.

Way to over simplify. There is a reason the rules account for a 'case-by-case' basis. Besides, I'd imagine murdering newbies would be:

A: A detriment to the community.
B: Spam Killing.
C: Just generally frowned upon.

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Lumino wrote:

Haze wrote:

You never told us to stop. When Gaku told us to stop, we did so. We followed what we were told and now suddenly this happens?

I think one of the main problems here is that when LOCKE told you to stop you didn't. And don't bother saying he didn't, the forum has topic after topic of Locke telling you guys to quit your freaking bitching. Those topics usually turned into 'Locke never listens to reason' conversations if my memory serves.

Gaku Appointed Locke, and listens to him. If you are saying 'Fuck You' to the guy he appointed, you're saying 'Fuck You' to him as well. Yeah you'll listen to him when he directly tells you, but you won't listen to the people he appoints to handle this crap while he makes the game?

If I were in Gaku's shoes, I'd be pretty freaking insulted by that.

Why do you try so hard to support dumb things with a justified light on it? Do you think listening to authority even when it's corrupt and out of order will magically make things better for everyone even when people are being wrongly punished?

Cause I think you need to retake world history and pay better attention the second time through.

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Us complaining about Locke was to plead with Gaku. When Gaku said to shut up it basically said, "Okay, all your complaining about Locke was pointless. Knock it off." And so we did. Why would we listen to the person we're trying to shed the light towards his screwed up action? Lumino, you might as well just give up. You just have no common sense whatsoever anymore.

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One could say the same of you.

There are two ways to go about complaining about the person appointed over you.

A: Whining

B: Unbiased, factual account of grievances and suggested solutions, all displayed in a respectful manner. This includes lack of insults.

Now I'm not saying you never had any points. But you never showed respect, never restrained your insults and in general went about it the wrong way.

Even if your argument had any merit is pointless now. Having the weapons and knowing how to use them are two very different things. You refused to 'play the game' as it were, and you set him against you. What did you really think was going to happen when you made the Head Administrator your enemy?

You started off with insults and aggression, so he returned in kind. You can't just keep trying different strategies until they work, people hold grudges. You were the first ones to attack, so that set the tone for all future dealings. Even when you tried to act maturely about it, you had that first layer of spite and anger that remained.

And I'd like to remind, once again, that FFO is not a democracy. Do not think you should be treated as such.

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Regardless of what any of us did, his actions were not justified in any sort. What you're saying is basically that if we're immature, he has the right to be immature? That's called two wrongs. If we were so wrong, then he should be the bigger man and make the right decision, not blow it up even worse than it already was. Your mentality still hasn't changed for oh great infallible overlord Locke, so I don't have anything left to say to your blind following. You're just another typical service lemming that would follow your leader off a cliff.

Despite ALL of this, I can't remember if Locke ever even told us to stop whining or he's going to ban us. I would look, but I'm banished in that forum and I'm not going to circumvent that banishment (even though it's very easy to do so, yet pointless still). We certainly were never given a warning stating we'd be expelled from the game completely, and it's pretty safe to say no one could imagine we'd be banned from the game for just complaining about Locke on the forum. Blacklist, hell yes, I knew that was going to happen, and I'm surprised it didn't happen more often. Like I said, if you got a problem with what we say on the forum, just blacklist us, and problem solved. Simple, clean, no bitching involved.

Anyways, I was trying to have this civil with Locke but you barge in (as usual) with your typical words.

For the rest of this topic I'll address Locke, and only Locke, because I'm not going to continue this stupid ass debate with someone that I basically only argue with for the sake of debating and arguing.

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You said you don't mind being black listed right?

Noted.

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Lumino wrote:

Now I'm not saying you never had any points. But you never showed respect, never restrained your insults and in general went about it the wrong way.

Even if your argument had any merit is pointless now. Having the weapons and knowing how to use them are two very different things. You refused to 'play the game' as it were, and you set him against you. What did you really think was going to happen when you made the Head Administrator your enemy?

Wow, do you even respect yourself? You're basically saying we should've been manipulative and used people (aka Gaku like everyone else) which is the most effective method around here and not made the super abusive admin our enemy because for some weird reason we like justice and truth to reign supreme over utter lack of respect for rules and decency.

No shit we should've done that if we really wanted something done. We don't do that because we aren't LIKE that. I don't want to wake up the next day and while shaving see a guy that gets ahead by using real people over the internet as tools to further himself in a virtual world meant to entertain. Even if it means being screwed over, I'm still proud of myself and my morals that I keep plus all the meaningful relationships I've made plus showing everyone else what's really going on instead of being apart of the problem.

You've got some growing up to do, Lumino.

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Not what I meant at all. I meant you had the 'weapons' that were proof of Locke's deficiencies (in your eyes). All those claims of bug abuse, the way the rules were enforced and other such issues you threw at him? Those were your 'weapons'.

If you collected them all and placed them flat out in a mature, and polite way the first time you interacted with Locke, instead of flying off the handle with 'This Sucks. This Sucks. You Fail...etc' then maybe this might have wound up different.

I choose to wave my own rules for the sake of your post, but please do not be the first one I have to blacklist because you refuse to keep your insults in check.

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Okay WOW. So let's see here. I am banned for whining and ruining the community. I haven't had net in 3+ weeks but I have still managed to do the two above things. Tell me how, I don't really know.

Here's the funniest part. I was an admin. I bet I am the only guy good enough to get banned AS an admin. If you didn't like "whining" and us expecting to get our way why was I given admin in the first place?

So here's the funny part about it. I came back this version just to prove I can stomp the ground with you guys. That's what I did. I destroyed all opposition and had entire FACTIONS quit playing because I was that good. I apologize for being too damn good at this game.

So now I'm banned and lost my forums. Both with no justification. I shouldn't even have to bother saying why there is no justification.

Gaku's fucking pissed my forums are more popular than his and Locke's jealous I run the game better than he could any day.

For those of you who say it's NOT all about Cea maybe this will be a little smack in the face.

But I'm not posting to get unbanned. I am not posting for my forums back. I am posting for one purpose only. I'm calling you people out. How can some one lack honor and dignity to do something like this? Yeah, I'm saying Gaku and Locke have horrible character. They are the fucking reason this game has been run into the ground.

Want to know why adjunct weren't working, Locke? There was no NEED for an admin decision at all recently. And the issues being discussed where left to you. Locke we need you to get Oond to make some rules for icons so we can look it over Locke we need you to ask Gaku about naming guidelines Locke this Locke that. Furthermore you are the weakest most simple minded person to ever grace this forum. You are so easy to control and manipulate. You change who you ask for help like every week because you can't even make up your own mind.

And Gaku you think you're too busy and important to bother with the little stuff in your game when that's all that really matters. You let stuff go that shouldn't be and you just use the excuse "waah I'm too fucking busy" well buddy owning and operating your own game TAKES COMMITMENT.

It's ironic that a friend of mine who I won't name so he won't be persecuted, is relatively new to FFO. Within 2 weeks of playing he came to me and said I was right about almost everything I complain about and HE saw how bad things were. A total newbie who had no affiliations coming into the game. But he didn't dare speak up he saw how shitty everything was and new what would happen if he tried.

So we are banned for ruining the community now. Why not ban the other Jiritsians? Ethril, Zekion, Darlute even. These guys all helped me. I think they need to be perma-banned too.


So to all of you who HAVE INTEGRITY, who are GOOD men, I urge you to learn a lesson from me. No, I don't want to be a martyr. But at least observe and see what's happening... And I know some of you are good men. People who I might not even be allied or friends with. People like Deshawn, and Vincent. People like Darlute. You guys are good people and I know you'll see how unjust all this is.

Oh and Lumino you're worse than Locke and Gaku. You just fall into the march and do as your told like an obedient puppy. You have no personal morals and any integrity you think you have is falsely so proven by your actions.

By the way thanks for blacklisting me in the main Terulia forums before I could even read why I was banned or defend myself.

Don't lose your internet for a month guys you might be banned for whining and ruining the community.

(By the way this post will probably be deleted to try and silence me (go figure) so I'll try and repost a few times until people I want to read it do (see: a few good men))

Thanks and have a pleasant fucking hypocritical shitty day.

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